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    Posted: 26 September 2007 at 7:45am
My huskey mix has some sort of something that's not good going on in her left ear.  I noticed over the last few days that it was bothering her a little.  She was scratching and shaking her head. When I checked out her ears the left ear had some dry crusty old looking discharge in it but nothing really excessive.  The right ear looked pretty normal although she did have some chunks of doggie-ear wax.  So I just left things alone.  Last night she was really shaking her head a lot so I checked out here ears again and the left ear has a lot of runny, goopy, clumpy down in it.  I swabbed some out to check it out better and it's got kind of an opaque flesh colour to it.  It has a slight odor but nothing excessive.  I'm thinking yeast maybe?  I know it happens frequently to floppy eared dogs that like to swim (Lili is neither - she has well furred prick ears attached high on her head and she hates to swim).   We have had very little rain lately and as far as I know her ears haven't been wet at all.  That said, I know these things happen and sometimes for no apparent reason . . . .
 
My big questions are:  Is there a way I can tell for sure it is yeast?  And if it is yeast, what do I do about it to get rid of it.  I know in humans (babies in particular) yeast can be a real you-know-what to get rid of and I'm guesing where this is pretty deep into her ear (warm and damp) this will probably take some time to get cleared up.
 
I don't have any problem with taking Lili to the vet if needed.  On the other hand, I hate to spend the $45 on an office visit only to find out that it was something I could have taken care of myself.
 
Over the years (I've had cats/dogs all my life) I've had to deal with mites before and I'm reasonably sure this is not mites.  I have never had a dog with yeastie ears.  My husbands aunt and uncle recently took their dog to the vet for yeastie ears and got a tube of prescription stuff but Cheri said she's pretty sure it's the same stuff you can buy at most pharmacies for yeast infections . . .  But I'd like to know for sure before I go putting it in my dog's ear.  I don't want to make things worse.  I also wonder if maybe gypsum violet (sp?) would be a better choice - if its safe for human babies mouths I would think it would be gentle enough for a dog's ear?  Or maybe not . . . .
 
She's not a happy dog right now and I'd like to get a jump on this ASAP before it gets worse and/or spreads to the other ear. 
 
 
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I had a basset who always had stinky goopy stuff in her ears... I learned to take a cotton ball and I usually used a solution from a pet store for ears and wiped her ears out.  I would try that for a couple of days, if it doesn't improve she may need to go to the vet.
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Sounds like yeast to me. It's a very painful thing for a dog because of the swelling and loss of equilibrium, so I take em to the vet to get rid of it quickly. Yeast will also eventually  make the ear thick and hot.
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I am familiar with a lot of natural ways to treat human yeast infections, but several of the treatments either A) don't translate well into a dog's ear, or B) use items you may not have around the house. But 3% hydrogen peroxide is supposed to help, and you probably already have that, right? I've never tried it, but, personally, I would try swabbing the insides of the ears with some hydrogen peroxide before I went to the vet. If you happen to keep tea tree oil on hand, as I do, you might want to try that, instead.

I also don't know why gentian violet wouldn't do the job, although, from what I hear, it stains like crazy, and your dog will have bright purple ears for a while afterwards. Very festive. LOL
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I just found this recipe all over the internet... according to the comments, it does a good job. Just another treatment to consider. It is said to work whether bacterial or fungal (yeasty) in origin, but I can't vouch for that, as I've never heard of it until today!

If the ears are sore or irritated, do not use as it will sting. Most dogs will not object to even the first treatment. The Boric Acid Powder soothes the ear. The Gentian Violet is an anti-infection agent. Be careful where you do it - preferably outside - as it stains fabrics and white cupboards, etc.!

INGREDIENTS: (all should be available at a pharmacy)
16 Oz. Isopropyl Alcohol (or Witch Hazel, but I personally haven't tried it)
4 Tablespoons Boric Acid Powder
16 Drops Gentian Violet Solution 1%

Mix in a bottle and shake well (every time you use it). I apply with an eye dropper into the ear canal, massage gently for 60 seconds and wipe with a tissue. Apply a second time, wipe with a tissue and leave alone without massage. The dog will shake out the excess, which can be wiped with a tissue.

Schedule:
Treat twice a day for 1-2 weeks depending upon severity of ears
Treat once a day for the next 1-2 weeks
Treat once month (or even less frequently as needed)

The solution appears to work well on any and all ear problems from mites to wax to canker. After the 2nd or 3rd day you can clean out the ear with a Q-tip or cotton balls. The success rate for this treatment is 95-99%. Those who do not succeed have usually not done the treatment long enough or have not been regular about it.

Dogs on the verge of ear canal surgery have been returned to normal with only the regular follow-up treatment to keep the ear healthy. If an infection seems to be remaining in the treated ear after the above course of treatment, you may also have some Pseudomonas bacteria in the site. This can be eradicated by using a gentle flush of raw apple cider vinegar and water (warm). Use 2 tablespoons of vinegar to one cup of water, 2 x per week.

They have found the Blue Power Solution to be effective for treating fungus-type infections on the feet and elsewhere on the dog, for cuts on dogs or people and for hot spots. You may find other uses for this simple anti-infective agent. Remember it is for external use only and be careful not to get into the eyes.

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I AM NOT A VETERINARIAN.
 
However, based on the experience I had with a yeastie-eared cat, the vet's probably going to want to A) debride the ear and create an acidic (yeast-hostile) environment within the ear canal, B) treat the inflammation, and C) prescribe an antibiotic to treat/prevent a secondary infection from all the scratching..
 
For the inflammation, it'll probably either be a steroid shot or a prescription NSAID like Metacam..
 
For the debridement, it'll probably be some kind of mildly acidic ear wash like Otomax.. 
 
For the antibiotic, it'll probably be something like plain old amoxicillin or Augmentin or Clavamox..  Common ENT antibiotics..
 
 
I'm going to stop right there..  There are alternatives to each of the above, but I'll be damned if I'm going to go through them and feel like your dog's wellbeing is even partially on my head. LOL
 
I'm just saying, this was the general course of treatment for my cat..  Debriding/acidic wash, treat inflammation, treat/prevent secondary infection..
 
 
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Be careful.

Our family had a large dog who had some of your dog's symptoms, it was "diagnosed" as an infection.  We took the vet's word for it and just tried to treat it, for years.   It turned out, when we went to another vet, that he had cancer in his ear and by that time it was un-treatable, and he had to be put down.

Your dog probably just has something eminently treatable and will do fine, but you might also want to get a second opinion.


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C ould be ear mites. You can also use a solution of a few drops of vinegar to about 1/2 glass of water and swab the ears with it, will help clean out the debris. You can get an ear mite treatment at the local feed store. Also, we used to mix campho phenique with mineral oil years ago to treat ear problems.
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Could be mites.  Those are easily fixed, but remember that you have to repeat the treatment in a few weeks to get the newly-hatched ones.

Yeast tends to recur.  My vet gave my dog Andre a homeopathic remedy and they cleared up (for good, so far, and it's been 5 years).
 
A bacterial infection can be treated with anitbiotics.
 
I'd say see a vete for a diagnosis, since treatment varies with cause.
 
ETA: That's supposed to say "vet," not "vete."


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I vote for the boric acid-gentian violet combo, with follow up to the vet if you don't see rapid improvement, like maybe 2 days, treating 2 x's a day.
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