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    Posted: 16 May 2010 at 6:19pm
Any thoughts/experiences on the sale of land through the use of a "land contract/ contract for deed/ installment contract" vs. Warranty Deed and Deed of Trust?
 
I am looking at this as a seller but would would be interested in hearing from buyers and
sellers.  You can't have one without the other.
 
I am looking @ selling with owner financing with minimum costs consistent with
protecting my interests.   Being a pessimist I would fully expect to have to deal with a default at
some point.  Not looking to rip anyone off but am also aware that allowing buyers
to pay late can hurt my right to foreclose later, depending upon just how this is
all written out.
 
This would be specific to Missouri, as laws vary from state-to-state.  No existing
encumbrances on the land, which I understand is sometimes the reason for  seller to
prefer a land contract.   Also, no structures on the land.
 
I carry liability insurance on my land;  if sold under a land contract due I still have
exposure?  What about with a warranty deed/ deed of trust?
 
Yea, I know:  talk to a lawyer.  I will once I have some background knowledge.
Ya gotta know whch questions to ask.
 
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I've bought places on contracts for deeds in the 70s...it was quite common during those periods of high interest rates/difficult to find bank financing...

Minnesota law clearly sets forth the steps that must be taken to terminate a contract for deed. Once a default exists and the seller has decided to terminate the contract for deed, a notice of termination must be served upon the purchaser under the contract for deed. The notice must set forth the following information:

The conditions under which default exists.
The period of time within which the purchaser may reinstate.
A statement that the purchaser must either make payments in the amount owed, plus costs of service, attorneys' fees incurred and other amounts due under the cancellation statute depending on the date of the contract (discussed below); or secure a court order suspending termination of the contract for deed.
The name, address and telephone number of the seller or an attorney authorized by the seller to accept payments.
Certain specific language required by law that notifies the purchaser of the consequences of his failure to comply with the notice.
Special Requirements – For contracts for deed executed on or after May 1, 1980, the notice also must state that the purchaser must pay any additional payments due the seller under the contract for deed through the date payment is made, rather than the date of the notice. For contracts for deed executed on or after August 1, 1985, the notice must state that the purchaser is further required to pay two percent of the amount in default at the time of service of the notice, not including balloon payment, taxes, assessments, mortgages or prior contracts assumed by the purchaser.

For the seller to recover attorney's fees under a contract for deed executed on or before July 31, 1985, some part of the conditions of default must have existed for at least 45 days prior to the date of service of the notice upon the purchaser. For contracts for deed executed on or after August 1, 1985, this period of default is reduced to 30 days.

Notice – The notice must be served upon the purchaser in the same manner as a summons according to the Minnesota Rules of Civil Procedure. Three weeks published notice has the same effect as personal service of the notice upon the purchaser provided that certain procedures are followed, but the cure period is expanded to 90 days where service is by publication. Besides serving the purchaser, serving other parties-such as mortgagees, judgment creditors or other lien claimants-may be required.

Termination – The right of the purchaser to reinstate the contract is absolute, provided that he complies with the payment of all sums required. If the purchaser fails to comply with the notice, the contract will terminate.

Upon termination the purchaser will lose all sums that have previously been paid on the contract, the right to possession of the property and the right to assert any claims or defenses against the sellers. He may be evicted from the premises by the seller. Once the termination has been completed, however, the seller can no longer maintain any action for a deficiency judgment against the purchaser.


The buyer has 60 days.
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Thank you for the reply.

 
In Missouri, I understand that it is similar that the "notice of termination"
in the land contract must be personally "served", whereas with a deed of trust
the notice can be sent registered mail
 
Found an interesting write-up by a Missouri attorney here:
 
 
He doesn't think much of land contracts, but is primarily though not
entirely looking at the matter from the buyer's perspective.
 
Personally, I don't know if I would want to purchase land under a
contract where I was counting on someone to deliver a deed many
years down the road.  Also, I would never purchase real estate without
title insurance and I don't know if that is even possible under a land contract.
 
Finally, i would never purchase land without looking at it;  "Walking the
boundaries," as i like to say.  (i have gotten the worst chiggar infestations
walking boundaries)
 
But plenty of people buy without looking, and apparently many buy on
contracts with little or no due diligence, and they get taken advantage
of. 
 
One reason i have seen quoted for sellers to prefer the contract was so that
they could be sure to get the land back in the event of a default, whereas under
a trustee's sale arising for a default on a deed of trust a third party might buy the
land;  not an issue for me.  As long as i either get the land or the money, I'm
good.  Plus in some states it is no longer a "given" that the seller will
get the land back.
 
Just looking for ways to minimize cost wthout compromising my
interests.  
 
 
 
 


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I couldn't imagine buying land sight unseen...

There are ways to ensure that the contract for deed would be conveyed...one would be to purchase from someone you trust, or come to trust.
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Neil would probably be the BEST person to ask because he DOES deal with land contracts in Missouri... In fact--he's the OzarkLand Swami :-)
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It's hard to know where to begin.

If you finance your property and you don't use a CFD, then if the buyer defaults, as many of them do, it's going to cost you about $1,000 in attorney's and other fees, plus three or four months of your time, to get your property back. (If you sell without doing a full credit check, the typical buyer has about a 30% chance of defaulting.)

The CFD is the simple solution, but it holds some pitfalls for the buyer. Primarily this: if you hold title until the buyer pays you off, what assurance does he have that you'll still have title to the property at that time?

Short of his doing a title search every few days, not much assurance at all. Even if you aren't a crook, you can lose the property to debts of your own, accrue back taxes, you might even die leaving the ownership to your heirs - and that all assumes that you're not a crook in the first place.

These concerns can be mitigated somewhat by recording the CFD, but that creates some new problems for you in the event of the buyer's default, that is, clearing the cloud that the defaulted contract leaves on your title.

I have (ahem) invented a solution to this situation which works well for us. We used to be the only one's doing this, which was a little scary, but now enough imitators have started the practice that we feel more confident in the event of a court challenge.

Here's how it works. We prepare a CFD which stipulates that the buyer gets a Warranty Deed to the property after six months of payments. That suggests that they can make the payments and insures that they have built up a small equity in the property before they take title. At the same time as the CFD, we also make out the Warranty Deed and get the buyer to sign a Deed of Trust and Promissory Note, all of which are recorded at the end of the six month period, as well as a Quit-Claim Deed which we hold in the event of default on the DOT.

Recording a two-page document such as a QCD in Missouri costs $27, so foreclosure suddenly doesn't cost so much.

When we terminate a CFD, we simply send a letter after 60 days without payment, giving the buyer 20 days to come current. If the defaulting buyer has received a deed from us, we send this letter certified mail. Those are the minimum requirements. In situations where we can't FIND our buyer, we give it more time, but many times you'll know that the buyer is defaulting long before it actually takes place.

About buying sight-unseen. I've done it myself and we've made a lot of sales that way.

I can probably show you ways to find out more about a property from your desk than you know about the property you're living on now, especially since the advent of Google Earth. Of course, if it's do-able, I always prefer to see the property first hand. From the seller's standpoint, a buyer who's seen the property is much less likely to default.



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I can't say for others, and other areas...but a neighbor here sold a 20+ acres piece under land contract, then went into default after pocketing the payments he got from the buyer...
 
It took the buyer a LONG time (over a year) to get this all straightened out with lawyers & Fannie Mae...in the end the buyer got the land and all is well, but it sure was a hassle because the seller was a weasel...
 
 
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"...Recording a two-page document such as a QCD in Missouri costs $27, so foreclosure suddenly doesn't cost so much...."
 
 
 
Good evening:    Thank you for the response.
 
I would assume that, at some point, a property "taken back" via the QCD  would also
need a deed of release recorded in order to clear the property record for the next recorded
sale?
 
Of course, the whole situation would be a lot easier to deal with if the buyer would put a little cash on the line (i.e. a down payment) but reality is that if you want to sell land today you need to finance it will little or nothing down.   Which does not bother me as the interest income would certainly exceed that available from banks.   Assuming i can collect.
 
Concerning Long Johns comments;  it's pretty easy to find similar stories on the internet where the buyer has been taken advantage of.     A little more digging turns up a few where the seller gets "stuck."   I get the impression from all of this that it is no longer expected for one (either a buyer or a seller) to live-up to their commitments anymore.
 
At least not if they can find a lawyer to take the case on contingency.
 
 
 
 
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Boatman:

You are correct. A Full Deed of Release needs to be recorded.

I'm currently engaged in getting a deed to property I was buying on a contract. I stupidly assumed a banker would be able to make reasonably sensible decisions, the fellow I was buying from died owing more against the property than I owed him. This could have been avoided had I had the common sense to insist on recording the contract.

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