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  Quote TheMartianChick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2009 at 4:20pm
We had a scare yesterday involving possible swine flu. Our youngest daughter called from college yesterday to say that she wasn't feeling well and that she had started vomiting after lunch. We were immediately concerned because though she goes to school locally, she lives in a dormsuite with a couple of students from New York City. She also has a couple of close friends who also just returned from NYC.
 
 I tried to ask all of the pertinent questions and then told her to keep hydrated and to take some tylenol for her fever, since our temps were in the 90's yesterday. I also sent her big sister to check on her and give me a report a couple of hours later. Her sister lives on the same campus and is a Resident Assistant. I knew I could count on her for a factual update.
 
Today she is doing much better but one of her non-NYC dwelling dormsuite mates is sick, so we don't really know what she had but it seems to have only lasted for 24 hours. So far, no one in our county has been diagnosed with swine flu, though many downstate have been.
 
 
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My 13 year old has been sick since yesterday or the day before: headache, body aches, sore throat, pale.  If she's running a fever, its low grade.  But she doesn't have the cough that true influenza usually brings, and she still has an appetite.  So, I'm not too worried right now. We're in PA, and there aren't any cases yet here.

I just checked with her a little bit ago and she said she's starting to feel better.  My grandbaby was here last week and she was really grumpy for about 2 days. I think she may have been the one to start whatever this illness is here.  My son started complaining last night and I just saw him...he looks bad right now too.

I just hope I don't get it.  I've got 2 full days of bonus time coming up at work.
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  Quote crowweaver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2009 at 6:10pm
That doesn't sound like Flu to me but either way...  plenty of liquids, extra vitamin C and plenty of sleep are very good for helping the body repair things  :)
 
Some common easy to use and take things for people over 2 years old are ... feverfew for fevers and headaches, peppermint or ginger for stomach upset and nausea, honey for sore throat and sleep for body aches.
 
If in doubt, take them to a doctor.
 
 
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  Quote Wings Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2009 at 6:33pm
I have to take antibiotics even when I have some sort of cold/flu virus because it always turns into bronchitis (probably because of asthma) so it's sometimes necessary and should be on a case by case basis.
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  Quote crowweaver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2009 at 6:45pm
I forgot to add
 
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  Quote gardenfay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2009 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by gracekelli

Fay, have you read "Priobiotic Revolution"?  I'm just starting to learn about them and the results discussed in the book, if even 1/2 true are very interesting. 



no, i haven't. i bet it is interesting.

i used to have quite a bit of digestive problems. now, i really don't and the only thing i've done different is drink a couple jugs of kefir and start having buttermilk, sauerkraut and a little more yogurt.

it was certainly worth the small amount of effort for me.
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  Quote LodeStar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 April 2009 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by crowweaver

I disagree completely. I think natural antibiotics are extrememly important. Echinacea and honey are both excellent antibiotics and antivirals and antifungals, they not only support the immune system but also strengthen it while killing and or inhibiting the growth of virus and bacteria.  Bacteria has often been the killer after virals weaken the system.


but to each their own  :)

 

 


I think you are speaking of probiotics, not antibiotics. Antibiotics (such as penicillin, amoxycillin, amoxyfloxin, cipro, tetracycline, etc) not only have no effect on viruses, but they attack the entire biotic system...thus the antibiotic properties. Herbs generally support the biotic system, boosting immunity and aiding the body in fighting bacterial, fungal and/or viral infections...

Not to mince words, but meaning is important. You are right, that viruses may and can cause bacterial infections...but, taking pharmaceutical antibiotics (which are way over prescribed) to fight a viral infection is just wrong.



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  Quote crowweaver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2009 at 1:25am

Flu and what we do

To avoid illness ...

*Wash hands often, especially after returning home from town.
*Take extra Vitamin C (immune booster) vitamin E (antioxidants) vitamins B complex (stress management)
*Eat well and regularly. Eat plenty of raw foods, fruits, nuts, vegetables .... Less meats especially red meat.
*If you can use a Neti then do so when returning from public areas.
*Get enough fiber, it helps regulate and balance the system as well as moving toxins out.
*Keep hydrated, a dehydrated body is always more susceptible to illness and a weakened immune system.
*Sleep well. Everyone's body is different and there is no exact number, know your own body and get the sleep you need.



If we become ill and will not be seeing a doctor ...

*Continue vitamin intake and increase C
*Plenty of fluids.
*No dairy, which increases mucus.
*Eat often, sometimes many very small meals are better. A cup of soup and a few crackers ...
*Lots of sleep. The body can heal much faster with plenty of rest.
*Treat your symptoms with simples and single herbs when possible. like feverfew for fever and head aches, peppermint or ginger for stomach upset and nausea, honey for sore throats and sleep for body aches and pain.
*Continue treated yourself as if you're sick for 2 days after you feel well. First, the illness can often still be spread to other folk. And Second, the immune system will have been weakened no matter what you took while ill and being exposed to any other illness in the first few days after recovering is dangerous.
*If you don't start feeling better within 48 hours then it should be treated with stronger medicinals such as Resurrection Tea which you can make yourself and have one hand.



*****I'm not suggesting that anyone not see a doctor at anytime. If you think you should then do it. This is just what we do.
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  Quote crowweaver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2009 at 1:38am
 
Actually Bruce, I was referring to natural antibiotics, not probiotics which are live bacteria found in things like yogurt and yeast. I believe that the term antibiotic originally referred only to natural antibacterials, synthetic antibacterials were called something else. Now people use the term to refer to anything that kills harmful bacteria. Honey acts as an antibiotic because bacteria can't live in it, it's also an antiviral for the same reason. Echinacea is a natural antibiotic which acts to kill harmful bacteria. It's also an antiviral and anti fungal. Honey and Echinacea are some of the very few things that act in kill both harmful bacteria and harmful viral infections, which is why they're so important now. In my opinion.
 
But, as I've said, I am no doctor and have no formal education. The very best thing everyone can do is research everything yourself and make an as educated decision as possible  :)
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  Quote LodeStar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 April 2009 at 2:37am
I understand the common mis-usage of the term 'antibiotic' with 'natural'...however, they truly are 'probiotics'...and I don't mean the lactobacillus type, etc...

Natural antibiotics provide an alternative to conventional antibiotic medicines, which are problematic for two main reasons. First, the use and over-use of synthetic antibiotics has led to an alarming increase in drug-resistant bacteria. Secondly, prescription antibiotics tend to wipe out good bacteria as well as bad. This not only retards the body's ability to fight back, it also makes room for drug-resistant antibiotics to gain a toehold in the body.

Natural antibiotics, conversely, work with the body's natural powers to rid it of infection. Certain herbs may be used as antibiotic alternatives and do not cause resistance in bacteria. The secret to this lies in the complexity of plants. While penicillin is simply that, penicillin, plant products contain dozens of different compounds. Garlic, for instance, has 17 amino acids, 33 different sulfur compounds and at least 35 other parts that are not identified. When faced with this complexity, bacteria can not develop a resistance to the herbal antibiotic.

In addition to their complexity, herbs are "smart" in a way that typical antibiotics are not. For example, garlic stimulates the immune system and works against viruses as well as bacterial infections. It also promotes good bacteria culture by working against bad strains. Garlic is effective against Tuberculosis, drug-resistant Staphylococcus aureus, Candida albicans, herpes simplex, influenza B and many others.

Examples of natural antibiotics:

Aloe is typically used as an external antibiotic salve. It is especially helpful for burn victims, whose wounds are extremely susceptible to infection from Staphylococcus aureus. Aloe also works against herpes simplex 1 and 2. It is prepared simply by opening the thick leaves of the plant and squeezing or scooping out the pulpy liquid, which is then applied to the skin. There are no side effects from external use of natural aloe vera.
Grapefruit seed extract is made from the seeds and peel of ripe grapefruit. It is a true antibiotic in the sense that it will destroy good bacteria as well as the bad when taken in high doses. However, like garlic, it is one of the most effective natural antibiotics available and is effective against a large number of microorganisms, including Staphylococcus, influenza A2, measles, organisms that cause stomach ulcers and hundreds of other species.
Wormwood leaves are an antibacterial, antimalarial, anti-fungal, anti-inflammatory herb. Wormwood is used to treat antibiotic-resistant bacterial infections, as well as resistant and regular strains of malaria.
Plant-based herbal remedies have been used as medicine for thousands of years, and are now gaining momentum even where modern medicine has all but eradicated knowledge and practice of the ancient healing arts.


http://www.brighthub.com/health/alternative-medicine/articles/12015.aspx

The term "antibiotic" (from the Ancient Greek: ἀντί – anti, "against" and Ancient Greek: βίος – bios, "life") was coined by Selman Waksman in 1942 to describe any substance produced by a micro-organism that is antagonistic to the growth of other micro-organisms in high dilution. [SA Waksman (1947). "What Is an Antibiotic or an Antibiotic Substance?"]. This original definition excluded naturally occurring substances, such as gastric juice and hydrogen peroxide (they kill bacteria but are not produced by micro-organisms), and also excluded synthetic compounds such as the sulfonamides (which are antimicrobial agents).

I agree with your premise, Juli...and laud your knowledge of herbs... however...cheryl and others (including me) have been campaigning to get people away from using the term 'antibiotic' which means 'against life' when referring to herbal/natural treatments which support life and boost our systems. It is a very common way for people to describe healing herbs, however.

I don't mean any disrespect.

Edited by LodeStar - 29 April 2009 at 2:38am
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